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    Avatar Of Barakharlanbarakharlan
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    I’m just getting into using hand tools and I have been using a cheap Japanese pull saw that I got a few years back at a local Big Box store.  I’m looking to buy something good that won’t break the bank.  For a beginner, would you recommend buying something on the used market or going with a new saw?

    If new, what should a beginner look for?

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    • Avatar Of SidesSides
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      Veritas makes a nice one for around $70. It comes in 14 ppi or 20 ppi. Lie-Nielson has one for $125, with 15 ppi. Both are very good saws, and will serve you well. I’m not sure what would be breaking the bank would be for you. Buying vintage doesn’t mean you will save money, but it is a possibility.

    • Avatar Of CharlieCharlie
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      I had luck going to a local hardware shop and found a good quality dovetail saw for a really affordable price (around $25). Just like Sides said, you can pay more for a used ‘vintage’ item. Going to flee markets etc is always a fun treasure hunt.

    • Avatar Of Mike In TnMike in TN
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      Ideally,  a beginner should have a nice inexpensive,  older, well tuned  dovetail saw, but since that would require an old timer to check the saw out and maybe tune it up, that usually isn’t practical. With that exception, my first choice for a true beginner would be the Veritas dovetail saw for the following reasons:

      A true beginner will be developing their feel for the wood and the tools and with western saws with a traditional style grip it is easier to develop a sense of blade orientation for repeat cuts. The grips on Japanese and gents saws give you less feedback to help you maintain the correct orientation. Beginners tend to get  little wild with their sawing action and thinner saw plates will be damaged  easier. The plates on the Veritas saws are thick enough to generally resist any reasonable use. While the plates on some older saws may be thicker, they  more often than not will need tuning and the true beginner won’t be able to tune them or know when they need tuning. A new brand name saw should work well straight from the box and will help the beginner learn what a really good performing saw should feel like. I have purchased a lower end saw that was not performing at it’s best but my experience reveled that and allowed me to correct the issues. Veritas tools or other  well known brand names shouldn’t have that problem. The saw teeth of Japanese saws can be somewhat fragile and are much more difficult to correct than western saws, They are generally treated as disposable by western woodworkers because of the difficulty with sharpening.

      The higher end saws are great but they will cost you about double (and up) what the Veritas saws cost. I have tried several of them out but just couldn’t see the extra money for the difference in the performance. They are beautiful and perform well and you can keep them in mind after you have deeper pockets. You can save a lot of money with the old saws after you learn how to make them perform well and get the necessary tools and skill set.

      I have new saws, old saws, saws of several types, Japanese and western saws. The go-to saw I keep at my bench is the Veritas 14 TPI dovetail saw. There are others there and I use them for various functions, but if I had to just have one, the Veritas would be it. It does a fairly good job at cross cutting too. and is big enough for most tenon work. The 20 TPI will give you a slightly better finish but it is slower and doesn’t work well for cuts thicker that about 3/4 inch because the gullets fill up with dust.

      Have fun

    • Avatar Of Mkvernonmkvernon
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      Razor Saw From Amazon

      I recently purchased a 40 tpi razor saw from Amazon–very cheap, and it makes a very clean, smooth cuts.  I have yet to try it on 3/4 stock, though.  That will be one test.  I suspect it will be best on thinner stock.

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